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It's that time again.... (Arena Rant)

It's that time again.... (Arena Rant)

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Mar 24, 2021, 00:2003/24/21
09/02/19
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It's that time again.... (Arena Rant)

Previously... 

I'm sure we all noticed that the bots have been removed from the arena. Now the original issue is back in full force. Arena has never been fixed. They've only postponed the issue.

I'd like to assume that everyone knows these issues, but I'll make a quick recap.
When arena resets, everyone loses points to drop down to the bottom of their arena tier. Think of it like the arena is a massive cake, and the players are eating that cake when they win/lose in arena. The cake stays inside of the players. When arena resets, the cake inside of the players dissappears but the cake itself is not restored.
Also inactive players with strong teams continue to drop down in arena, causing problems for weaker players.

The reason why all of this is an issue in the first place is because of Great Hall, and the Arbiter missions revolving around arena progression. Arena being difficult is not the issue. It's an issue because it halts progression in other areas of the game.

Look... How much this issue affects you really depends on how strong your account is, how far you've progressed your great hall, Arbiter missions, ETC.

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Even if I win 30 battles in gold 4 arena per day, it will still take about 3 years to max out great hall. If you want arena to be difficult, you can't expect to also be winning like that.

If you are winning dozens of battles per day, that means arena is not hard for you. You can't have it both ways. So are you willing to completely sacrifice your great hall progression in order for arena to be a challenge for you?

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The current arena was made for a game that doesn't exist anymore. I'm sure when raid was a brand new game, you could cruise in gold 4 arena with almost any team at all. That game is dead.

I believe that the top tiers of arena should be difficult, but it should not halt progression in other areas of the game. At the same time, there needs to be a grind for great hall and reward incentive.

The solution is to remake the arena system from the ground up. Until then, bots should return to the arena to help players progress.

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Reworking Arena:

Visit the thread in the link below to my thread explaining the best arena rework.

https://plarium.com/forum/en/raid-shadow-legends/674_game-discussion/219213_best-arena----remake-classic-arena/


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Mar 24, 2021, 16:2503/24/21
Apr 5, 2021, 14:37(edited)
09/02/19
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you know what... my arena work idea is brilliant.

this thread was at least half focussed on explaining the current arena issues. i'm going to make a thread dedicated to my arena rework idea, with full details. it'll be even better.

Mar 24, 2021, 17:4603/24/21
01/10/21
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yup pvp is full of whales again on all pages like 4 months ago !!! IT dont hurt me because i have arbiter now but i feel me sorry for some of my team mates with pvp missions lol 😈

Mar 24, 2021, 17:4903/24/21
01/10/21
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oh well people will start to quit again lol they will losse money well >Thats on them ha just hope people on my team dont start to qauit they are a few them complaining

Mar 26, 2021, 02:0703/26/21
02/02/20
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does an rep from plarium ever actually reply to any of these posts?

Mar 26, 2021, 02:1103/26/21
01/10/21
162

yea all the time they just dono what to say and im sure untill they fix the arena back like it was this will be hear to stay and im sure more to come from my team alone 30 mad people lol

Mar 26, 2021, 07:5803/26/21
Mar 26, 2021, 07:59(edited)
09/30/20
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I let my self drop in arena and will not have any problems getting back up, however i think newer players would have troubles batteling many of these teams (i will not, but thats not the point)


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Mar 26, 2021, 09:2803/26/21
04/25/20
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I don't know if I had the worst luck or it's just me. I tried using like 5 refreshes and the team I encounter is mostly 200k in gold IV lol

Mar 26, 2021, 10:0903/26/21
09/30/20
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Gold4 is supposed to be hard i think. Im more concerned about silver/bronce :)

Mar 26, 2021, 16:2703/26/21
01/10/21
162

its all hard untill they fix pvp lol




Apr 5, 2021, 14:2404/05/21
02/08/20
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123K, 3x Legendaries and one epic - in Bronze lv 1!! Hahaha How is anyone meant to work that?


Arean is a joke, just wanted to add my 2c.


The re-work idea sounds good though - hopefully one of the devs see it (and take notes!)

Apr 23, 2021, 15:0104/23/21
02/04/19
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Bronze 2, guys, come on, bronz 2 ....... BrAnZE Two !!!!

I don't have a leg, my highest hero is lvl 50 ...

How tf am i suppose to play arena, i've been refreshing all day, lost a lot a matches, only encountered once in a while a team with coherent team power (but almost always higher than mine) ... guys come on ...

Apr 23, 2021, 15:0904/23/21
07/05/19
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Arena is a mess since a year ago, and noone in Plarium seems to have any idea on how to fix it, since anything they do will just place the Arena back into square one in about a week or two after whatever they do.

Apr 23, 2021, 15:2604/23/21
12/19/19
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Bronze 2, guys, come on, bronz 2 ....... BrAnZE Two !!!!

I don't have a leg, my highest hero is lvl 50 ...

How tf am i suppose to play arena, i've been refreshing all day, lost a lot a matches, only encountered once in a while a team with coherent team power (but almost always higher than mine) ... guys come on ...

"my highest hero is lvl 50 ... "


That is your prolem.  Step 1 is get Kael (or any 12.3 farmer) to 60

Apr 23, 2021, 15:4504/23/21
Apr 23, 2021, 15:48(edited)
10/15/20
374

This is the bottom end of gold 1. Admittedly one of the arbiters isnt levelled yet. I actually won 2 of these fights as they were very slow arbiters, but still...

When i dipped into silver, because i have high player power it made no difference at all 

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Apr 23, 2021, 15:4704/23/21
10/15/20
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lee.ozz.0213

Arena is a mess since a year ago, and noone in Plarium seems to have any idea on how to fix it, since anything they do will just place the Arena back into square one in about a week or two after whatever they do.

One of the biggest problems is most people quit the game very quickly so there are few active but new players in the game and far more retired/semi inactive players with stacked teams.

So, when you hit silver, especially if you have high player power you have a good chance of getting a page of stacked teams that no longer play (ie they login briefly to chat to clanmates etc)

Apr 23, 2021, 16:0504/23/21
07/05/19
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Trips

"my highest hero is lvl 50 ... "


That is your prolem.  Step 1 is get Kael (or any 12.3 farmer) to 60

I disagree that having the highest level champ only at 50 is a problem.

For God sake! He's at Bromze 2! I plowthrough bronze 2 without any level 60 less than a year ago! And now you have to have full level 60 with team synergy, masteries, and minimum of 5* artifacts just to get through Bronze 2?

That's THE REAL PROBLEM Trips! The crazy high demand for even a low tier arena! No wonder new players flee the game as soon as they are able to test the arena!

Apr 23, 2021, 16:1204/23/21
07/05/19
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trevor.wilson

One of the biggest problems is most people quit the game very quickly so there are few active but new players in the game and far more retired/semi inactive players with stacked teams.

So, when you hit silver, especially if you have high player power you have a good chance of getting a page of stacked teams that no longer play (ie they login briefly to chat to clanmates etc)

As I said, not a single soul in Plarium knows how to "fix" arena.

Their mantra that is now being chanted by veteran players and veteran forumites is "git gud!" or in Plarium's language " buy more shards and gems and artifact packs"

Let's face the reality, Plarium's arena problem makes them money, so it's not a problem for them. Their arena "problem" makes the whales at platinum rank furiously buying any speed artifact packs or speed glyphs packs.

So there's just no willingness from Plarium to fix arena, the only way new players can have a fighting chance to even raise to bronze 3 is to git gud (read: be a whale) or get out.

Apr 23, 2021, 16:1304/23/21
10/15/20
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lee.ozz.0213

I disagree that having the highest level champ only at 50 is a problem.

For God sake! He's at Bromze 2! I plowthrough bronze 2 without any level 60 less than a year ago! And now you have to have full level 60 with team synergy, masteries, and minimum of 5* artifacts just to get through Bronze 2?

That's THE REAL PROBLEM Trips! The crazy high demand for even a low tier arena! No wonder new players flee the game as soon as they are able to test the arena!

Funny thing is, with focus and not actually being new it is totally different.

On my alt account i farmed spirithost, warmaiden, and i think i stacked up a greybeard too for annoyance value and i was able to breeze to B4 with slow speeds (175 ish) because i kept my roster tiny.

But if i had played as the game encourages you too and had more player power my experience would have been dramatically different.

I agree - i saw someone stuck in bronze being advised to speed tune and gain 300 speed a few days ago...for bronze! :)

Crazy

Apr 23, 2021, 16:2604/23/21
01/01/21
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This is fine.

Apr 23, 2021, 17:1904/23/21
Apr 23, 2021, 17:24(edited)
10/15/20
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lee.ozz.0213

I disagree that having the highest level champ only at 50 is a problem.

For God sake! He's at Bromze 2! I plowthrough bronze 2 without any level 60 less than a year ago! And now you have to have full level 60 with team synergy, masteries, and minimum of 5* artifacts just to get through Bronze 2?

That's THE REAL PROBLEM Trips! The crazy high demand for even a low tier arena! No wonder new players flee the game as soon as they are able to test the arena!

I disagree with you saying the highest level champ only at 50 is not a problem.

You say "it's Bronze 2, he should do that without lvl 60 champ". And what comes after he has done Bronze 2? How far should he climb without lvl 60 champ? Bronze 4? Silver 1? Ok, 60 victories to the player, 60 more Bronze medals. Would that change anything? At least in Bronze 4 or Silver 1 he has to build a good arena team. Or do you want to see Lvl 50 Warpriests in Gold?

The players that flee because they can't build an arena team would flee 2 or 3 weeks later. 

It's PvP, your opponents in arena are teams built by other players. Why should they be weak? Unlike the PvE-opponents, in the arena they want to win to. They get arena points if they win, and the they lose points if you win. For each victory a player has in arena, another player has to lose a fight. As there is no draw in arena, allways, whatever Plarium does, 50% of the fights are lost by one player. What else than "git gud" should be the solution? Weak built bot-teams that lose and make every player happy?