something is definitely wrong, content that has been released was poor and just a repeat of previous events, the long awaited faction wars was a disaaaaster... new factions have been poorly thought out and need rebalancing, nerfing champs, re-using exiting models to make new toons, no new gampelay, just more and more `LIMITED OFFERS` and `HOT DEALS` , forum not utilised properly, they need to start listening and cut back future changes and fix existing problems.

this game was great when released, had a buggy server etc...but gameplay was solid...and now many months later.....its still the same...where ar the updates? the exciting new updates and gameplay, new items, new content....nowhere to be seen, probably get a halloween fusion that will cost $100S and be undead related...yawn....

The main issue is that Plarium is owned by a casino company (which kinda makes sense, but kinda doesn't since the main idea would be to get ppl to spend, which they don't).

This is by far my fav mobile game and a great alternative to WoW in terms of time consumption (say what you want, I like it).

I've spent money on it and I will spend money on it. But only if I think it is worth, which atm it is not.

Also the dev team is in over their necks and they have a lot of fixing to do, which takes time. I wont insist on that, since I can understand some dealys.

A lot of people in the community have valid arguments about why the game is bad and I agree with them, but there's also a lot of people that probably come from some "I just installed the game and already finished it" type of games and expect things to be the same (and thank god they're not).

In summary, I'll probably keep playing for a while, I really want to see the FW remake and the Halloween Event (if there will be such a thing).

Cheers and keep up the good work Plarium ^-^.

I would say they have up to about half a year lifespan left.

then the game will die, get reskin and re-launch as completely new title.

new title will last for a year or 2 before it will be recycled one more time ...

such predatory tactics as they have here must be thought of with above scenario in mind.

With every new poorly designed champion they release in hopes of quick cash they devalue the worth of their shards as the summon pool gets more and more diluted. This will ultimately kill their player base as well as their profit margins.

Plarium just doesn't seem to realize this or the fact that new champions is not content.

This game isn’t going anywhere!

It is going to last for very long time.

The youtubers you are watching don’t understand the gaming model.

The games main revenue is from new players, not veteran players.

A person already said the game is owned by Casino Company.

How many Veteran Casino players do you know? Not many!

Yet, The Casino doesn’t go out of business!

If you actually took a moment to understand, the big picture, you would understand why the game is successful.

• The game promotes advertisements to lure in beginners.
• The game makes very good beginner deals for new players.

Those deals are the best deals in the game by far.

• The game tries to make the beginner experience amazing!
• The game has a Story Line for Normal Campaign.

The story line doesn’t exist in Hard or Brutal Campaign.

The youtubers complain because they are veteran players!

They don’t like the way the game is from a veteran perspective.

However, The game doesn’t cater to that perspective.

The game already made there money from the veteran players.

The game has no interest in whether or not veteran players decide to throw a hissy fit.

And if the hissy fit is to much of a display the game will warn them!

The exact same thing happens in a Casino.

You go in excited and drop few hundred dollars.

Than you end up a Veteran Casino player that is broken & salty 

Than you try to complain.

Do you think the Casino cares about your complaint?

They are Un-phased by your complaint.

And if you make to big of a scene.

They will escort you out!

Harsh, but truthful

I do not agree.

New players have the best deals yes... But the main point is that the game lifespan is artificially inflated by the exponential curve of efforts needed to up a champ 60 and things like the masteries. 

I read someone say that new champions are not contents. I think plarium should carefully and seriously consider those words because they are 100% right. 

I can picture the dev that worked his ass off frowning, wondering and possibling rejecting it from the get go. Yes you worked hard, yes you added stuff... But it is not content added. Why? 

Very simple. Plarium prevented it from becoming an actual thing In game, because all those champions are not playable even if you get them. Why? Why should we equip a new champion that is not booked, with no masteries when we already spent hundreds of hours upping just 5 or 6.

This is not added content because they are not accessible to play, they just stay in the vault and are beautiful. 

This is not content because we have space for hundreds of champions but because it is so long to optimize one, only a few champions will be used. 

This is why the masteries need to be fixed, why we need more books. So we can actually chose who we wish to play between the hundreds you gave us. So we can actually enjoy getting new champions. 

What is sad is that there is probably a poor soul behind those decisions, so sure of his choices he will not even consider public opinion. 

This is an amazing game, I love it so I spent some money in it. I am quite satisfied in what I had but I will stop spending as long as this is not fixed. There is no point in me buying a pack when I just don't want a new champion to book or grind. Yes summoned a leg and 3epics yesterday. I should have been happy, the leg is amazing, vizier... Instead I wanted to puke because I realized all the time I will need in the minotaur. 

And I am not the only one with this feeling. 

Was that the goal of plarium? To make costumers sad when they are actually winning? 

I wish the guy behind that realized how bad this aspect is. He is stomping on the work of his own colleagues and eroding the passion of gamers. 

I think your (PlayerJ) comments are interesting but I really don't think calling people "idiots" is very productive.  I disagree with everything catering to beginning players.  The new faction wars update was for end game high spenders and impossible to do for everyone else.  

I give the game a 2 star out of 5.  But my gripes are that the interface is poorly done like not being able to see character names as you click through the vault.  Or not having a filtering function for items.  Or not having enough space slots for champions.

The issues with you.tubers is that when there are so few champions they need, the chance for meaningless duplicates goes up exponentially.   So why try?  Other games seem to give "shards" where if you collect enough, you can get the character.

But anyway, nice post except referring to people as idiots.

This is an amazing game, I love it so I spent some money in it. I am quite satisfied in what I had but I will stop spending as long as this is not fixed. There is no point in me buying a pack when I just don't want a new champion to book or grind. Yes summoned a leg and 3epics yesterday. I should have been happy, the leg is amazing, vizier... Instead I wanted to puke because I realized all the time I will need in the minotaur. 

And I am not the only one with this feeling. 

Was that the goal of plarium? To make costumers sad when they are actually winning? 

I wish the guy behind that realized how bad this aspect is. He is stomping on the work of his own colleagues and eroding the passion of gamers. 

MisterAzazing said:

I would agree here but you can get an auto clicker to train your heroes overnight.  It cost a lot of energy and that has a $ cost but that is what I do.  I do not have the time to click auto attack on Minotaur for 8 hours but will pay for energy to level my character.

So to you this part becomes bearable thanks to an external help. It just shows what length people are willing to go to bypass some of the decisions plarium took.

I play on my phone, is there such a solution for Android? And even with it, it still requires 30k energy to grind 5 champions in the minotaur.

Just 5.

Although I play on my phone often, I just do the auto-clicker through Bluestacks on my computer.  I manually did my first 5 characters and really don't want to do it again.  Now I glance over at the computer and refresh energy as needed.  But I read that there was way to use an auto-clicker on the phone but it seemed too complicated for me to try it.

MisterAzazing said:

Although I play on my phone often, I just do the auto-clicker through Bluestacks on my computer.  I manually did my first 5 characters and really don't want to do it again.  Now I glance over at the computer and refresh energy as needed.  But I read that there was way to use an auto-clicker on the phone but it seemed too complicated for me to try it.

I usually do 2 champs at a time and it takes me a couple of days to get through it.

Out of curiosity... I know giantslayer and warmaster make a huge difference on the cb... But how did it feel when you did minotaur 15 the first time with 2 dps with it? Was it a uge difference? I mean it looks like minotaur 15 has around 1M life, how hard does it proc?

I have yet to finish my first champ. I only have 3 champ with madteries 4... So I am quite upset considering the 950 big scrolls I'll need for each one.

Zargala. 

Kael. 

Vizier. 

Dracomorph. 

Tayrel. 

On the side... Coldheart, aeothar, apothecary... 

And more... 

MisterAzazing said:

"Out of curiosity... I know giantslayer and warmaster make a huge difference on the cb... But how did it feel when you did minotaur 15 the first time with 2 dps with it? Was it a uge difference? I mean it looks like minotaur 15 has around 1M life, how hard does it proc?"

For me, nothing was a huge jump but more of a gradual increase in dps.  However, after finishing masteries  on all my champions, my dps on the clan boss jumped up significantly and I was able to finally beat Dragon 20.  After that it seems to snowball.  Right now I am missing a counter attack hero and using Juliana for poisons so I am pretty mid tier.

That explains a lot. It's definitely heavily focused on the same clientele as casinos. Whales and/or people who's prone to keep on "betting" for something better. Absolutely everything is constructed to get you stuck and to pay more money. Tournaments, events, rng, energy, silver, champions, arena matchmaking, etc, etc. And even if you pay some money, it's pure lottery if you come out stronger. You have to pay A LOT to have some guarantee of progression. 

IMO this game only have one good thing - the graphics. But over all it's an extremely shallow, repetitive and poorly constructed game.
I don't believe it's dying, but ever since i started playing this game a month ago i've had this feeling that this game isn't made to evolve. I believe it's pretty much finished in this state. It's doing what it's suppose to do. Make money. No evolve needed.

Agut said:

The main issue is that Plarium is owned by a casino company (which kinda makes sense, but kinda doesn't since the main idea would be to get ppl to spend, which they don't).

therealmike said:

been seing alot of the youtubers complaining.

as content creators they more or less live of this game, so to see them complaining about the state of the game is not good news.

in addition most of them already started promoting new games.

community has been complaining for much longer, yet plarium doesn seem to care.

i was just starting to get into this game, but luckily i have been spending (yet) so i can walk if things dont change

what do you guys think??

This game is dying because Plarium won't listen to their players.  We try to tell them what is wrong and what their player base wants, they completely ignore it and just keep focusing on new garbage. 

They clearly didn't learn their lesson from Harvester and is a perfect example.  Making people waste thousands in energy to farm for champions in dungeons is one of the MANY reasons (besides the paywall) that caused people to quit when chasing Foli during that fusion.  They're doing the same thing over again, only making the paywall more transparent this time.

A company can't last when they ignore what the customer wants, and for some reason, they ignore their customers completely.  Unless Plarium sees profit in it, they have zero concern for retention.  That makes for a VERY limited shelf-life for a game, as their is only so many players they can burn through until no one wants to play anymore.

Agut said:

The main issue is that Plarium is owned by a casino company (which kinda makes sense, but kinda doesn't since the main idea would be to get ppl to spend, which they don't).

I have described the pricing system and packages that they monetize as if they were trying to take advantage of people with a gambling addiction.  Because that's the way it seems to me.

You buy shards for the chance that you will get something awesome.  Its not even truly a p2w scenario, its more of a pay for a chance to get lucky. 

So, hearing this, makes total sense to me actually.

Player J said:

I think the youtubers you are watching are idiots!

You are also an idiot for believing them that the game is coming to end!

This game isn’t going anywhere!

It is going to last for very long time.

The youtubers you are watching don’t understand the gaming model.

The games main revenue is from new players, not veteran players.

A person already said the game is owned by Casino Company.

How many Veteran Casino players do you know? Not many!

Yet, The Casino doesn’t go out of business!

If you actually took a moment to understand, the big picture, you would understand why the game is successful.

• The game promotes advertisements to lure in beginners.
• The game makes very good beginner deals for new players.

Those deals are the best deals in the game by far.

• The game tries to make the beginner experience amazing!
• The game has a Story Line for Normal Campaign.

The story line doesn’t exist in Hard or Brutal Campaign.

The youtubers complain because they are veteran players!

They don’t like the way the game is from a veteran perspective.

However, The game doesn’t cater to that perspective.

The game already made there money from the veteran players.

The game has no interest in whether or not veteran players decide to throw a hissy fit.

And if the hissy fit is to much of a display the game will warn them!

---

The exact same thing happens in a Casino.

You go in excited and drop few hundred dollars.

Than you end up a Veteran Casino player that is broken & salty 

Than you try to complain.

Do you think the Casino cares about your complaint?

They are Un-phased by your complaint.

And if you make to big of a scene.

They will escort you out!

Harsh, but truthful

I think you wildly misunderstand a lot. Especially calling someone an idiot and following it with this post. Spending a few hundred dollars does not make you a "veteran" at a casino. It means you either wasted it or earned more than you went in with. What I think you mean is by veteran is addict, which is someone who cannot stop doing something. 

Additionally you seem to think people's voices should not matter. They should and do. and your arguement contradicts itself in that aspect. Youtubers bashing this game and leaving causes people to leave. The game not caring about long term players causes people to leave. A game remains living so long as numbers grow. If the player base is leaving as fast as starting the game will start to decline because there is not an infinite population. Additionally the vet players are a desired population because they are likely to want something and that keeps them playing. Doing things to get them to stay means a longer life span for the game. And if a game wants to survive it does need to have a happy customer base and streamers/youtubers especially or it will fizzle out

angelknight127 said:

I think you wildly misunderstand a lot. Especially calling someone an idiot and following it with this post. Spending a few hundred dollars does not make you a "veteran" at a casino. It means you either wasted it or earned more than you went in with. What I think you mean is by veteran is addict, which is someone who cannot stop doing something. 

Additionally you seem to think people's voices should not matter. They should and do. and your arguement contradicts itself in that aspect. Youtubers bashing this game and leaving causes people to leave. The game not caring about long term players causes people to leave. A game remains living so long as numbers grow. If the player base is leaving as fast as starting the game will start to decline because there is not an infinite population. Additionally the vet players are a desired population because they are likely to want something and that keeps them playing. Doing things to get them to stay means a longer life span for the game. And if a game wants to survive it does need to have a happy customer base and streamers/youtubers especially or it will fizzle out

Please dont come out swinging and calling people idiots because you think we should just sit by and silently watch. These games are supposed to be made to be enjoyed and if a large portion of the population sees a problem they should voice it. There is nothing idiotic about trying to help keep a game alive through describing what could be major issues

The only person that misunderstands anything on this forum is you!

I am speaking the truth!

You just can’t handle it!

A few youtubers say they are going to quit? And you think it is a national crisis? 

The game is in state of emergency because few youtubers say so?

Who cares what those youtubers have to say?

I say let them quit!

We don’t need those negative nay sayers bringing our game down.

They are polluting the game with negative vibes!

All you can do is regurgitate the words they are feeding you.

I’ll tell you what you can do baby bird!

You can go to those Youtubers and tell them that Player J & his followers say “Don’t let the door hit them on there way out”.

The game was popular before any of them became Raid Shadow Legends Youtubers.