Hello

Saw a suggestion that each day should have boosted faction drop rates. Love this idea! or even certain days only drop certain factions. 

As it is now farming accessories is bad, but more factions coming in the next few months bringing more champs to have to farm more accessories for. Please fix this Spider is hard enough and my autos take like 7-10 mins on stage 16. After that long to get a Banner Lord item just hurts my heart. 

Hey Hey

The game is all about RNG, sometimes you get lucky sometimes you don't, the thing about a spider is the share amount of loot, I'll pass this on as a suggestion to request a way somehow to f2p farm more particular factions.

Though ive spent a lot more runs, trying to get banners then 400 

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On one hand, you notice you don't have something only when you desperately need it... Plus the RNG factor...

I think the game has a trolling algo running.

I find it funny still, but I get that people lose patience. 

It's like a giant tease. You need a type of potion for a quest mission, suddenly only the greater version drops when it usually never does. 

You need items for an event, suddenly only brews and shards are dropping...

I feel trolled most of the time. 

Nico Traveler said:

I think the game has a trolling algo running.

I find it funny still, but I get that people lose patience. 

It's like a giant tease. You need a type of potion for a quest mission, suddenly only the greater version drops when it usually never does. 

You need items for an event, suddenly only brews and shards are dropping...

I feel trolled most of the time. 

I know what you mean. I would like to believe that this kind of trolling algorithm behavior is just a pure rng and "bad luck"...but honestly I start to think it is not just a coincidence.

Hey Hey

Me again, I honestly don't think they would use anything of the sort "trolling mechanism", I think these theories are just evidence of a true RNG, I mean grab a 6 sided or even better a 12 sided dice, choose a number, do ten rolls and count how many times your number  actually comes up, the actual odds are far lower to get 1 of up to a possible 36+ items not considering the primary or sub stat rolls.

Do you guys have any suggestions on how this could be sorted?, I'll be sure to pass them on.

Go ahead and use a dice-rolling algorithm where the number of sides equals the amount of factions - ignore different accessory types for now - set a test case of e.g. 100 rolls and see what comes up - I would guess we generally do more than those 100 tries - if our results differ greatly from those of the algorithm, there surely is something else pulling strings within the system.

e.g. go here

http://www.roll-dice-online.com/

Tried it once with a 13-sided die & 99 tries, see below the distribution:

1    10
2    11
3      6
4      7
5    10
6      6
7      8
8    11
9      4
10    9
11    7
12    4
13    6

OR use excel / openOffice / google spreadsheets and write it yourself

Excel:

best make it dynamic:

set a die side parameter as well as a rolls parameter

=Randbetween(1,sideParam) is your die roll

=row() counts your roll (deduct X if you don't start in row 1)

drag down the formulas for as many rolls as you want to do

if you want to see in which areas the specific rolls are in, make a heat map

     A - B - C - D - E - F - G - H - I - J - K - L - M - N

1 | 0 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11 - 12 - 13

2 | 10

3 | 20

4 | 30

5 | 40

6 | 50

7 | 60

8 | 70

9 | 80

...

=countifs(array of roll count, ">"&$A1,array of roll count, "<="&$A2, array of roll result,A$1) <-- enter this formula to fill all cells within the grid above

From a dev perspective I can completely understand their approach - they are trying to push us players into a situation where we have awesome accessories but no champs so we might consider getting more shards for a chance to finally get one - nonetheless the stupid argument of completely random is wrong! Hence stop using it left and right!

Optionally, I built this die rolling tool:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FNt2jtPee7O4qo-KN7DEOZLILTYyIRwBW3TxH_qJxPA/edit?usp=sharing

Dude, The biggest problem you have isn’t the Dark Elf banners.

It is the 4 star gear which you put on your Kael.

Player J said:

Dude, The biggest problem you have isn’t the Dark Elf banners.

It is the 4 star gear which you put on your Kael.

You should totally redo your Kael.

Maybe you are right about changing gear but - I'm doing all keeps on 15, mino 15, most of other dungeons on 18-20 and I'm gold IV 3199 arena hard stuck so...unno where that could help.

I am like you, I have 5,4 and even a 3* on my Kael. And I am happy with it. I am quite picky with the substats so sometimes I even put green gear.

MadCo0kie said:

Go ahead and use a dice-rolling algorithm where the number of sides equals the amount of factions - ignore different accessory types for now - set a test case of e.g. 100 rolls and see what comes up - I would guess we generally do more than those 100 tries - if our results differ greatly from those of the algorithm, there surely is something else pulling strings within the system.

e.g. go here

http://www.roll-dice-online.com/

Tried it once with a 13-sided die & 99 tries, see below the distribution:

1    10
2    11
3      6
4      7
5    10
6      6
7      8
8    11
9      4
10    9
11    7
12    4
13    6

OR use excel / openOffice / google spreadsheets and write it yourself

Excel:

best make it dynamic:

set a die side parameter as well as a rolls parameter

=Randbetween(1,sideParam) is your die roll

=row() counts your roll (deduct X if you don't start in row 1)

drag down the formulas for as many rolls as you want to do

if you want to see in which areas the specific rolls are in, make a heat map

     A - B - C - D - E - F - G - H - I - J - K - L - M - N

1 | 0 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11 - 12 - 13

2 | 10

3 | 20

4 | 30

5 | 40

6 | 50

7 | 60

8 | 70

9 | 80

...

=countifs(array of roll count, ">"&$A1,array of roll count, "<="&$A2, array of roll result,A$1) <-- enter this formula to fill all cells within the grid above

From a dev perspective I can completely understand their approach - they are trying to push us players into a situation where we have awesome accessories but no champs so we might consider getting more shards for a chance to finally get one - nonetheless the stupid argument of completely random is wrong! Hence stop using it left and right!

Hey Hey

I am quite impressed by this, I have forwarded your point on.