Cirilla said:
Hi guys! We do understand your concerns, however, Tormin is not supposed to be a great damage dealer, he is a very powerful control champion and we are not going to change that. Again, we won't rush into changes. We will be very careful with the rework and make sure that we don't break the champion in any way. We ourselves like him too much to be doing that.
Tormin is not a great damage dealer? Powerful control champion?
Tell me at which aspect of the game besides the useless Faction Wars is crowd control of any relevance?!
He brings no noteworthy debuffs, no buffs, just crowd control and no damage?
Endgame dungeons are not about CC, they are about damage, survivability only matters to beginners, Clan Boss is definitely not about CC, so that leaves him as an arena only character that will guard my vault just like another *cough* powerful control champion *cough* Harvester Jack. Nice.
He is only useful for beginners who struggle to clear waves till Boss in dungeons.
Arena is worthless waste of time with terrible rewards once a week, and if YOUR SPEED + ACC >> ENEMY SPEED + RESIST you win almost regardless of the comp, so that makes Tormin completely redundant in that regard.
Remember that you said the same things about Harvester Jack and 99% of the community will agree with me when I say he is useless.
Do you know who else is a "pOwErFuL cOnTroL ChAmPiOn" ? Angar. Look at him and all the taunts he has, please tell me where is he ever used by anyone? Rares are better than him and his "crowd control".
BEST crowd control is DEATH, not 25% chance to freeze or provoke. None of your "powerful CC no damage champions" are relevant in any aspect.
One Dwarf Should not change the effort of almost 99% of the players, who won't be able to craft them. This guy brought so much disbalance to the game. His passive needs to be removed. He is still gonna be a strong champion. But with ONE Dwarf in the team even the beginner player can sit and laugh on pro players 3 out of 4 heroes got frozen and not move. And win. Need to nerf this dwarf. Nerf it soon. Arenas strongest player become nothing and 2and month players who got them beats pro players. Stop this! We have to re-dress the whole arena team based on 1 dwarf ?! Now all heroes has to be dressed in resistance and immune sets? Come on , Plarium! You just destroyed the whole game by bringing one stupid overpowered and dis balancing dwarf to the game. People was hoping for positive moments for Christmas. And what they got? The end of this game. Nerf he dworf or I am gonna leave the game too, like my other friends already did.
(Your 3 month player, who spend over $5000 on this game)
Damir Dash said:
One Dwarf Should not change the effort of almost 99% of the players, who won't be able to craft them. This guy brought so much disbalance to the game. His passive needs to be removed. He is still gonna be a strong champion. But with ONE Dwarf in the team even the beginner player can sit and laugh on pro players 3 out of 4 heroes got frozen and not move. And win. Need to nerf this dwarf. Nerf it soon. Arenas strongest player become nothing and 2and month players who got them beats pro players. Stop this! We have to re-dress the whole arena team based on 1 dwarf ?! Now all heroes has to be dressed in resistance and immune sets? Come on , Plarium! You just destroyed the whole game by bringing one stupid overpowered and dis balancing dwarf to the game. People was hoping for positive moments for Christmas. And what they got? The end of this game. Nerf he dworf or I am gonna leave the game too, like my other friends already did.
(Your 3 month player, who spend over $5000 on this game)
Explain to me how a champion that counters the speed meta by rendering it ineffective, who directly counters game mechanics braking Hegemon, who almost everyone can get brings disbalance?
How 2 months playing player can win with pro players? Its not about some secret knowledge, but amount of money you spend on gear and energy to farm dungeons. You cannot really speed up the town hall development either, can you? It takes months even for paying people.
I think you were one of those lucky noobs who got lucky and summoned Hegemon.
10m player, spent 0000£ on the game, just added this because you know it matters.Hi guys! We do understand your concerns, however, Tormin is not supposed to be a great damage dealer, he is a very powerful control champion and we are not going to change that. Again, we won't rush into changes. We will be very careful with the rework and make sure that we don't break the champion in any way. We ourselves like him too much to be doing that.Sorry, I didn't explain. I understand he's a control champion and not a damage dealer. My point was, they need to be directly related. So if you take away 20% of his control, then he needs to do 20% more damage. Something like that would actually make him more balance for other parts of the game also.
glizdazla said:
Future of the game balance suffers because of Hegemon.
I agree completely and utterly. Hegemon was the WORST decision this company ever made, maybe short of selling champions outright. If they had any knowledge whatsoever about gaming, it is to never, NEVER break your own game's mechanics for profit.
Assuming this game lasts in the long run, eventually all of Platinum is going to be overrun with Hegemon. It won't be about skill, won't be about who spent the most, won't be about Tormin the Expensive. It will be about who lucked out and got Hegemon.
The sad thing is, they know very well he is god-broken, but they ignore all complaints regarding him. They care more about selling void shards than they do about the fact that they broke their own game when they made him.
Tormin is powerful, but Hegemon is worse. You can work around Tormin. However, with Hegemon, defending against him completely is impossible. You either get champions locked down for TWO turns, or if he is geared for damage, you take a substantial amount of damage before you're able to do anything at all.
LoL. You don't get it. I got Hegeman and I got Tormin as well. And I still think Tormin should be balanced. And maybe Hegemon needs to be balanced too. It's not about my ass being wooped by some noobs, like you. I can woop anybody's ass myself.
Again it's not about me. It's about the balance in this game. So, yeah, Tormin (and maybe Hegemon as well) has to be nerfed.glizdazla said:
Damir Dash said:
One Dwarf Should not change the effort of almost 99% of the players, who won't be able to craft them. This guy brought so much disbalance to the game. His passive needs to be removed. He is still gonna be a strong champion. But with ONE Dwarf in the team even the beginner player can sit and laugh on pro players 3 out of 4 heroes got frozen and not move. And win. Need to nerf this dwarf. Nerf it soon. Arenas strongest player become nothing and 2and month players who got them beats pro players. Stop this! We have to re-dress the whole arena team based on 1 dwarf ?! Now all heroes has to be dressed in resistance and immune sets? Come on , Plarium! You just destroyed the whole game by bringing one stupid overpowered and dis balancing dwarf to the game. People was hoping for positive moments for Christmas. And what they got? The end of this game. Nerf he dworf or I am gonna leave the game too, like my other friends already did.
(Your 3 month player, who spend over $5000 on this game)
Explain to me how a champion that counters the speed meta by rendering it ineffective, who directly counters game mechanics braking Hegemon, who almost everyone can get brings disbalance?
How 2 months playing player can win with pro players? What are you smoking? Its not about some secret knowledge, but amount of money you spend on gear and energy to farm dungeons. You cannot really speed up the town hall development either, can you? It takes months even for paying people.
I think you were one of those lucky noobs who got lucky and summoned Hegemon and now you are getting your ass whooped. You dont like seeing your unfair advantage go, hence these salty tiers.
10m player, spent 0000£ on the game, just added this because you know it matters.
You think I am upset cuz, I dont have this dwarf, but nope, I DO have him. And Tormin with Hegemon do some crazy things.
Tormin will be nerfed. You want it or you don't want it. Because it has to be nerfed. Your 10mln power won't help you to beat overpowered Tormin. No matter what players you have in your team. And having overpowered and unbalanced Tormin is your last "free to play" hope. But you forget about something, my dear. That other people can have Tormin too. And your silly free to play Hope's going to crash into a wall of Hegemon+Tormin opponent's wall.
Nerf Tormin. Save the game.
I think there is a mass confusion by players in the forum.
The Game (Plarium) doesn't want to nerf Tormin.
The Elite Arena Players are the ones who want Tormin nerfed.
The Elite Arena Players have been mailing/contacting the game developers asking them to nerf/adjust Tormin.
The simplest reason is because Tormin is to overpowered.
I could write an long reason on this forum explaining why Tormin is over powered.
The post would be a massive Wall of Text which would span over 2-3 forum pages.
It would be a 10 page Thesis Paper telling you why Tormin is overpowered.
I would give very strong supporting statements & details.
I would give you first hand accounts.
I would explain to you in the simplest of terms that even a person who never played this game would understand why this champion is overpowered.
I would give you pictures with images showing you how insane Tormin is.
My post would truly be a Mastery Piece - A work of Art
However, if I was to do this long post, You would have to spend the rest of your time scrolling past it in this thread.
It would take you a solid 2 min to get through all the writing that I would do.
It would be HUGE!
To save you the solid 2 mins, Lets just pretend.
My post already happened with out it actually happening.
I will just put a TL:DR
Tormin Passive should be rebalanced so it doesn't effect Artifacts or Masteries.
Here is a short reason explaining why:
Tormin Passive in its current state devalues our Artifacts.
Tormin Passive in its current state devalues our Masteries.
Here is a cool picture as an example:
Tormin Passive at the present moment Freezes anyone who gets Heal, Buff, or Turn Meter Gain.
