Bastion lv15 and up

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Smitten
24 September, 2017, 5:48 PM UTC

This re-post is only for people who can read:


"... we think it is pointless to fight against RuAL and Co. We watched them use the TotalControl lighthouse program on our 26 presidios. We saw them retire many of the accounts they used to attack and start new accounts with the same people running them. We even noticed when they used gunboats from their bot havens to protect their leaders.

They fight in an extra dimension...an unlimited number of times through the lighthouse for each member of shiv's team. Don't waste your money. Forget your ego. Under the current set of rules that Plarium is enforcing (?), RuAL cannot be beaten."

We don't want to fight with RuAL. We want them to play by the same set of rules as everyone else.

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Crowbar
Moderator
24 September, 2017, 5:58 PM UTC

Gotta ask... so many people know that Rual and friends use Total Control to gain unlimited units and whatnot... why don't any of you use the same thing to bring Rual down? You don't have to use it against honest players, just those damn cheaters... bring them down with their own tool. You all make it sound so easy, so what's stopping you?

Personally, I believe that TC and any similar tools are scams, which is why I'm truly sincerely asking those of you who believe them so much (obviously, without trying any of them yourselves).

Disclaimer: obviously, I'm asking as a player, not as a mod.

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Smitten
24 September, 2017, 6:16 PM UTC

Crowbar,


Plarium has been working on disabling it and we never wanted it anyway. It is only available in Russian btw. There are other ways like Big Data analysis to reverse-engineer the lighthouse mechanics. You cannot stop people from using it, but it's only for people who are weak. The key problem is the rapid cycling of accounts through the lighthouse, followed by smashing and junking them. They don't have players, they have account managers. They manage 3-5 accounts and when the accounts are smashed up, they dump them from the bh and start 3-5 more accounts.


So many of our players have been playing for two years with only one trip through the lighthouse. But assuming that RuAL can go through the lighthouse in three months, that means that each spot in the brotherhood can go through the lighthouse eight times every two years. 


The presidio game is worthless.

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Nightmare
24 September, 2017, 7:37 PM UTC

Smittens source 




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGUqwaORfbU
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Ramsay Bolton
24 September, 2017, 8:40 PM UTC
I always find it interesting how everyone is looking for the magic weapon so that they can rationalize to themselves and their BH their performance. This game is a Pirates Game. Its about War, Diplomacy, Resources, Fleets, Alliances, Double Crossing, and Trust... It is no different than the real world... and those who are good at it understand Power & Respect. People need to stop pointing fingers as to why they aren't performing or having the level of success that they Dream OF for their BH... get out of your mind and get into reality. To succeed, you have to inspire others to work together and be prepared to out work, out hustle, and out think many others. It all comes down to Grit... no different than the real world. Stop looking for the magic weapon. focus on the fundamentals. You will have a much better gaming experience for it.
RB
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dreadpiratevane
24 September, 2017, 9:03 PM UTC

new guy in the neighborhood.. someone sent me this link.. told me to beware??

said I should ask people in forum to explain it to me?


https://prnt.sc/er4kbs

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Crowbar
Moderator
24 September, 2017, 10:03 PM UTC

Smitten, I appreciate your attempt at answering my question, but I still have a problem with it.


  1. "Everybody" knows how Rual does it, yet nobody does it to them.
  2. "It's for the weak"? Come on, it might be for the weak in a fair fight, but not if what you're saying is true. It's like saying "Rual is not being fair at this sword fight, because they use guns and cannons, but that's for the weak, so we'll continue using only swords". Sorry, it's not convincing. You can play as dirty as you claim they do, or you can quit fighting them and turtle, since it's - by your claims - so unbalanced that no one stands a chance against them.
  3. "They have account managers"? If you know that for a fact, you know where they got them too, so get one for yourself.
  4. "It's only in Russian"? Really? That's a problem? Some blind clicking and you can figure out what's what, assuming that you cannot find a single Russian person to help you translate it. Doesn't even have to be a player. Find someone on FB or some forum or wherever you want, and send them screenshots of the program to translate the options for you.

I hope you now understand why I have such a hard time with these accusations of mystery cheats by anyone. They are so easy to turn on the cheaters themselves, unless of course the whole thing is just an urban myth that the accusers blindly believe.

I'll remind all reading this: I play on s2 (I do have a haven on s1, but I keep to myself there), and I have no personal interest in Rual or AoP or whoever else is there. I do, however, work in the IT, and I am very much interested in how is it possible that "everyone" knows exactly how someone is cheating, yet no one manages to replicate it.

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LittleBounty
24 September, 2017, 10:45 PM UTC

Oops we did it again...


@Nightmare no need to quote I suppose... ;)

We up when we need and when we have time, No one can rule us !!

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LittleBounty
24 September, 2017, 10:54 PM UTC

And Also we defend when we want too :




Who's behind Hell Cats ???

Humm

3 vs 2, the 2 defenders won :)
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LittleBounty
24 September, 2017, 11:00 PM UTC

Nightmare said:


LittleBounty said:


Luck has nothing to do with it.

We are 80 active pirates, we win 500 to 2000 rubies per event.

It's just mathematics!

Each pirate must have the number of rubies to raise the bastion every 80 days.

You will hit an empty bastion and we will go up again with rubies won and not bought.


As you can see Nightmare I'm not a dreamer 

oh but you are a dreamer   why don't you upgrade your bastion if you are so good in math  ....did you forgot something maybe ? 

 

I can't resist : 

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Cigneous
25 September, 2017, 12:19 AM UTC

is this what they are talking about?

BTW replicating it is harder than you think.. it is why they call it hacking.. Auto Botting is against the rules
this is a known widespread problem in online gaming and it is frowned on by most. 

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Flash is the 'front end' used to play the game. So, objects like the 'smugglers den' for eg, are rendered on our PC "Clients" and some of this functionality is then available locally at the client. This in turn can be interfered with by unscrupulous tech savvy players to gain advantage. This is hacking at the client, as opposed to the server, which will hold the necessary databases for the game to run.

A server is "secure" LOL behind firewalls etc and hacking the back end would therefore be more difficult, though not impossible to implement. Check out SQLinjection attacks to learn a little about that stuff (for the purpose of understanding what is possible).

Now back at the client side, one could write a script to automate in game functions like pirate, merc, fleet and armada ship building at given intervals. Imagine you were controlling hundreds of bots, harvesting the rss for these activities and channelling those rss into 'designated' havens. In a comparatively short period of time, you already have the resources to build the fleet required to do some serious damage to your enemies.

Now imagine bunches of accounts on same person PC or own virtual server farm (different IP's) ?!? They can all be automated 

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this was info given me by someone outside of RuAL who does this.. 

There are least 3 others doing this that are not in Rual 


Tell you what.. to all complainers.. if they will tell me how to do it and I am able to do it..I will be happy to tell you all how it is done..

then you can do as suggested above and use it against those who use it against you. But not everyone has the ability to do it. and that is why many feel it is unfair. I am not complaining. But i have done the cost accounting and know I can't afford to play this game in a competitive way..


but I will say this.. where there is smoke there is most likely a fire..  and using game botting techniques is fraud as defined across the online gaming world and it is a known issue that is for real.

anyone who really works in IT knows all about this..

.. so I do not think of these complaints as complaining as much as I would call it reporting possible fraud.. and that is a serious issue not to be tossed aside lightly.


Many would rather quit than do something we think of as cheating. so make your choice people.. sounds like we have been challenged to figure out how to create these game bots.. sounds like fair game now.. anything goes.. everything no matter what is fair.. Might is right and there is no room for decency or fair play.. Is this the world we want.. My sadness extends to the whole world at this point.. 

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Cigneous
25 September, 2017, 12:48 AM UTC

Now before you argue that this does not happen

in 2016 I had a player named Lilianna in my BH who offered to help my whole BH with resources and proved she could do it by sending me 20K rum from 10 different bots .. I was amazed and that was the beginning of my education here,  she was always missing in action and only logged in once every month or so.. I refused the offer as I do not approve of taking unfair advantage

she again disappeared for over 3 weeks and I Keelhauled her.. 

 that was early 2016. I was also warned that RuAL was coming and to avoid Rual in May & June of 2016 and I took it to heart and paid attention because of my experience with Lilianna

I tried to explain and warned everyone i knew friend and foe and for them to pass it on and sadly sat by as I watched all my friends and foes get wiped out one after the other..because they did not believe me.  

 fast forward.. 2017  I told the AOP not to fight them as it was useless.

I was accused of being in league with AOP when all I did was show up to an invite at their discord channel then declined their request to join them...

BTW just hold on everyone.. when Australian Aristocrat Gaming Company takes possession.. supposedly in DEC despite they bought it by Aug 10th and  if they take possession and do not back out of this deal.. there is a possibility a lot of things will happen and there may be hope for everyone to have reasonable expectation of future fair play.. 

Good Luck to all of you..


Cigneous
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LittleBounty
25 September, 2017, 7:47 AM UTC

Absolutely agree with you Cigneous. Someone in my house said to me: "If they cheat, you just have to cheat but just against them ..."

But that's not part of my moral values.We do not fight cheating by cheating. We do not play a game to cheat. 

If there was anything to gain, that would be known.

No matter the purpose and the way of Shiv and co they know very well of what it returns. If they can continue like that and have the nerve to make the beautiful here afterwards, it shows their level.

In truth, the Ban @ nE Inc. are ignored and avoided to play with real players in accordance with the rules.

If they can not sink our boats on a presidio or a bastion, then they can not do anything.

Our goal of our participation in this post is only to show that it is possible.

Now that we have demonstrated and said it, we let you show your passions and your hatreds here.

We are only players and we intend to remain so.

Many things at all,

LB

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Nightmare
25 September, 2017, 11:25 AM UTC

smart banana will you accept war then ?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGUqwaORfbU
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LittleBounty
25 September, 2017, 11:36 AM UTC

Accept war ???

To win or loose a potion ???

Loose boats for your eyes ???

No no no, we don't need war to fight against you :)

And when we're "good players", we can recognize well play but that's certainly doesn't concern you... 
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Nightmare
25 September, 2017, 12:34 PM UTC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGUqwaORfbU
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CrabeSansPince
25 September, 2017, 12:40 PM UTC

LoL

An artist !!

If this is the only thing that can make you feel better... ;)

Hey man, I've got one idea for your next golden rule : No bastion over 5 !

RuAL, EurU, Sorci 1 & 2, Hell Cats and co, chiken too ?



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LittleBounty
25 September, 2017, 12:53 PM UTC

CrabeSansPince said:


LoL

An artist !!

If this is the only thing that can make you feel better... ;)

Hey man, I've got one idea for your next golden rule : No bastion over 5 !

RuAL, EurU, Sorci 1 & 2, Hell Cats and co, chiken too ?



What a fabulous idea !!

And Shiv / Nightmare, I'm sure that you'll have a success in it ;)

When I see how all the top 10 BH's is scared...
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Nightmare
25 September, 2017, 5:16 PM UTC

photoshop lvl beginner  by Charlie /Nothing2Lose BH  .....new guy my a**  LOL  
PS: posting other people cords is against the forum rules so.........


total control .....ninja turtles....teletabis.... unicorns.........believe in what you want  


crowbar said it well , if you think that is why we are better go use it yourself and destroy us with ''our weapon'' ....simple as that 


@banana leader- it is possible but for how long ? only one i see scared here is you , accept war please

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGUqwaORfbU
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LittleBounty
25 September, 2017, 7:43 PM UTC

I'm not scared, I choose the ones who play with me...


And ridiculous people aren't on my favorite list, as you can see, I'm quite good in maths.. And with your lot of alts who cheat, you can win in a long time...


And I won't do you this favour, I'm most clever than some here...


But what about the new challenge ?? No opinion on it ?
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