Captains, the reward system on Prizes has been updated!

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KingRat
2 July, 2016, 2:51 AM UTC
I have read a number of the posts, and I agree with those who are very, very dissatisfyied. And I certainly agree with BlackBart when he says that the reply to him was very condensending. To say that a level 87 player is not committed to YOUR game is a stupid comment. I have a pretty good idea what that player SPENT to reach that level! And it all comes down to this; the players here are not stupid, irrigardless of what Plarium thinks of us. We are here to have FUN! When the game ceases to be fun.... what is the point? You changed the rules in the middle of the BIGGEST tourney of the year! Why? That is obvious, seeing how everything played out. I came in 4th in the tourney; I carefully watched those in the top ten, AND, I would have liked to move up! NOT A CHANCE without spending BIG for rubys to keep playing. OOPS! I do believe we just figured out WHY the rules were changed in the middle of the tourney!! As far as I could tell, over the last 5 days of the tourney, NONE of the top ten positions in the tourney changed. EVERYONE STOPPED BECAUSE THE NEW RULES RIPPED EVERYONE OFF!! Including me, to the tune of more than 10,000 units and some 11 million in offence power. So I won 80,000 rubys... big deal. It would have taken at least 300,000 rubys to make myself whole again, to where I was BEFORE I played the tourney. But this is not a surpirse, cause this was the point of the changes wasn't it. Litte by little the greed of plarium is taking the fun things out of the game. I expect to see more dropping out. I already see a change in the BH I am in (where I am an advisor). Fewer players checking in for fewer hours. Not a surprise. I, also, am thinking about quitting and I am a level 83 player, with a pretty good investment in this game. But once again, what is the point when the fun is gone?
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Blasphemy
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2 July, 2016, 3:53 AM UTC

rich5151 said:


I have read a number of the posts, and I agree with those who are very, very dissatisfyied. And I certainly agree with BlackBart when he says that the reply to him was very condensending. To say that a level 87 player is not committed to YOUR game is a stupid comment. I have a pretty good idea what that player SPENT to reach that level! And it all comes down to this; the players here are not stupid, irrigardless of what Plarium thinks of us. We are here to have FUN! When the game ceases to be fun.... what is the point? You changed the rules in the middle of the BIGGEST tourney of the year! Why? That is obvious, seeing how everything played out. I came in 4th in the tourney; I carefully watched those in the top ten, AND, I would have liked to move up! NOT A CHANCE without spending BIG for rubys to keep playing. OOPS! I do believe we just figured out WHY the rules were changed in the middle of the tourney!! As far as I could tell, over the last 5 days of the tourney, NONE of the top ten positions in the tourney changed. EVERYONE STOPPED BECAUSE THE NEW RULES RIPPED EVERYONE OFF!! Including me, to the tune of more than 10,000 units and some 11 million in offence power. So I won 80,000 rubys... big deal. It would have taken at least 300,000 rubys to make myself whole again, to where I was BEFORE I played the tourney. But this is not a surpirse, cause this was the point of the changes wasn't it. Litte by little the greed of plarium is taking the fun things out of the game. I expect to see more dropping out. I already see a change in the BH I am in (where I am an advisor). Fewer players checking in for fewer hours. Not a surprise. I, also, am thinking about quitting and I am a level 83 player, with a pretty good investment in this game. But once again, what is the point when the fun is gone?

They have done these changes in other games before bringing to PTOF that's where it was compared thought through 

and looked over,Please don't mistake me thinking i agree with the change, because like you and so many others, i do not like it,

my fun ended when they took away our targets, i remember waiting on them to drop, id make sure i had my chores around the house done,

just so i could hurry and get there, claim my target.. and had my pearls set so i could have 3... that was my rush i enjoyed...

Now i look on the targets as empty ghost treasure sunken to the darkest part of the sea...

Everyone's here has that special thing among the game that they play for that gives that "rush" to come back for more...

I believe plariums thoughts on this was to try to give us a bigger rush, one we had to find a new way in receiving it 

I don't think they tended to ruin our game play, but thought us over knowing we are dedicated players, to try new 

ways to achieve these goals, and as i said already it's bean already implanted in other games, they to had learned to play the new ways....

Im sure they didn't agree at first either....


I do owe an apology saying that the dedicated players that are quitting aren't that dedicated, that was very wrong of me and unprofessional of my part, I caught on what i said after i said it and re'read what i had said, sometimes when writing something, it's comes out differently then what you want it to be as if you voiced your opinion, 


Hopefully some good comes out of this and what players we have left in PTOF decides to stay and work the changes and adjust

maybe some good will come of it all.. eventually maybe 
I am a daughter of a High King who is not moved by this world for my God is with me and goes before me, I do not fear because im his
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awmllr
2 July, 2016, 4:04 PM UTC
I too have read all the posts above concerning the changes made in payouts for prizes. It is my belief that the post above by Rich5151 sums up what really happened as well as any of the others I've read. Also,as long as money is made from a product, it will continued to be marketed as is. In the normal business world it appears that only when a product ceases to generate income, will it be discontinued or altered. There will always be some that will continue, as are doing now in the current Prize Ransack Tournament. As for myself, if I like a product, I'll buy it. If I'm dissatisfied with a product, I'll keep my credit card in my wallet until something I do like is offered.
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ASH
3 July, 2016, 3:25 AM UTC
I know it's been said that the small rewards are random, and that Prizes are supposed to be a mystery and so on, but this makes no sense.  It's been said that Prizes are supposed to be figured out, etc. etc.  So tell me how we are supposed to find a method to this madness...  A friend and I decided to give things a go since he got a reward before the update and has hit nothing since.  That was on an Offensive Prizes (the one before that was an O one too) so he kept going with only Offense Prizes.  He had a lvl 2 and 36 is his max so we decided to start at the bottom.  On the 5th Prize he received a reward of all Defensive Units.  You guys really took any planning ahead out of the LH, I used to be very proud of how much I'd figured out about the LH and even made a website to help other players out, now I'm just embarrassed to mention that I went after a Prize.
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KingRat
3 July, 2016, 4:56 AM UTC
I agree Ash. I placed 4th in the big tourney, and I will never play the prizes again as long as this system is in place. Period. Think about what Plarium did. I am a retired businessman. I understand how decisions are made. To make this change in the middle of the biggest tourney of the year was not a random act. It was careuuly thought out and planned, and it was done in the middle of the big tourney BECAUSE they knew it would not be liked. They did it when they thought players would have to accept it and keep playing.... but did most? No. That is why the top ten positions in the tourney did not change over the last 5 days. The players quit. It was either quit, or pony up big bucks to keep playing.... which was the plan. Little by little, Plarium is making this game boring. What is left? Treasure islands? Not hardly. Prizes? Nope. So all you can do is kill each other. Raid raid raid. Pretty boring, quickly. Instead of adding to the game, they subtract from the game. Think of what they could add! A new building that only builds a new type of armada unit! And, a couple of new discoveries that let you advance to that! Easy to do.... but not a big ruby eater, poor them. There are a number of things that I can come up with in just a few minutes of thinking, but that is not in them, cause it does not return the big bucks. It ismore of a long term build the game slowly and make the players happy. But who cares?! Right? Here is the view point as far as I can tell; don't worry about it! There is always lots of fresh meat signing on to play the game!! And the sad thing is that there probably will be. 
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limeyjohn
3 July, 2016, 12:08 PM UTC

The sad fact is that the game developers cannot and will not admit it when they make mistakes, the Treasure Islands were a huge disaster but are still there.

Now this, l have spent the past week or so doing nothing but hitting prizes and collecting data. Sad to say l no longer have any clue how it works or how to plan hits ( not including junk wins hit a level 92 with losses over 30 % of previous big payout and won yet another small payout )

Like mentioned above, game is dying, come on guys, admit you make mistakes and please at least try to fix them
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dunder_klumpen
4 July, 2016, 7:05 AM UTC
Boo-hoo. Lost all the money you spent? Feeling ripped off? That's what you get for buying sucess lol.
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limeyjohn
4 July, 2016, 12:10 PM UTC
dunder_klumpen said:

Boo-hoo. Lost all the money you spent? Feeling ripped off? That's what you get for buying sucess lol.
l would suggest you take the time to look at my haven before jumping to conclusions, apart from converting two $20 Subway gift cards have not spent a cent, just been playing a very, very long time
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bert
9 July, 2016, 9:02 AM UTC

the men/women who tought of this idee should run for president of the USA (they like to vote for idiots)

mmmm lost  3500 subs, without a big reward.. then i read about this new way of rewarding prices... well not happy... 10 times before a big reward. wondering how that is going to work out attacking lvls above 100.. y0u need 10x between 3 and 5 mill... so between 20 and 40 mill to get a big reward..

also i found out winning small prices increases the payout of resourses (nobody wants or needs), so every time you want to do personal event (capture prise), you need to increase youre resourse lvl to 90 %.. what is almost impossible to do, to avoid getting a payout in resourses..


so if you want to improve the prises stop the payout of resourses (you can buy them a lot cheaper then building time)  and pearls 





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Beafraid
9 July, 2016, 11:43 AM UTC

I like some of the comments made since my last post.  I've not been active in this forum for several days now because I have just lost interest in this thread since it hasn't helped regardless of pleas and comments by the players.  You may be listening - but, ARE YOU REALLY?


I am disappointed in Plarium doing this change to the prizes.  I have always been a huge contender with them as well.  I have been doing some prizes - basically daily lately and still have not received the rewards nor the payback that once was a 'given' prior to the change.


What I will be doing is not use my credit card for Plarium to obtain rubies and/or add to my fleet based upon this recent change to the prizes. 


As a result of this forum - it is evident that some good came out of this particular thread - one in particular moderator has changed his attitude or no longer is one.  I just hope THAT continues. I will hear through the grapevine.





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coenraad_abma
11 July, 2016, 8:58 PM UTC

FaZi said:


No mule, not limited payout.


it still depends on the bank, more value in the bank means bigger payout and still is the same. I suspect your bank hadn't had enough so the payout is smaller as compared to old payout.


My highest available prize is 75 and when my bank is in the range of 35M-40M (in terms of resources) i am about to receive the payout. I keep my track in excel file and when it comes to this range i go for higher level prizes and they reward me as per my expectations.


Though i never had my bank paid out fully (except couple of times) means i will get forces worth 25M-30M in terms of resources and 5-10M will still stay in the bank and than i will build all over again with the bank (getting prize to yellow) and than again after gaining massive amount will hit higher levels.


This technique is working in TD & SF also which have similar reward system since 4 months now. 


I have noted following things:

1-- If you clear a prize in multiple attempts it is possible you won't get smaller payout (even in new system) 

2-- if you get lot of smaller payouts (which is a norm) than you need longer successful streak to claim bigger payout

3-- what we have to do is keep atleast 5-6 prizes (of higher levels) untouched and the rest get them to yellow bar (it will give you a handsome value in the bank) and when you think you have enough in bank, go for untouched prizes & clear them in 1 strike and it is 100% possibility you will get payout in those 5-6 if not than go from upward to downward (of yellow prizes) and you will get your payout before all runs out. 


what i learnt in this game either it was old system or new system you have to bear a hard time to get the better & bigger payout


P.S: I have been using this strategy for a while now in TD, SF & now in pirates and it is paying me and working for some others as well. I don't know if this system works on more higher ups level as well such as 100+ because in my all games i have less than 100 level of prizes. 















dear Fazi my lowest defense prise is 75... any clue how long and how many troops and days it takes to get 10 of those prises down. i just got 5 down in the old system, just got the 6 th down today (took me more then 3 weeks incl buying vet) and got 226 Maw..and some small resourses (i really don't need). really frustrated at the moment..not knowing how many prises it will take to get a big a reward in troops and how many month it will take. one thing i know i be busy for weeks to get a lvl 75 down..

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FaZi
12 July, 2016, 8:02 AM UTC

@Coe,


With what i have experienced, you need to stop small payouts in order to get bigger payouts and also you will need a successful streak of killing prizes.


So what you need to do is to get them to yellow bar (Do not kill it) this will increase your bank value, i really can't comment on how much bank you would need but on a rough calculation it would need around let say 70M+.

and once you have gathered a handsome bank value, you need lot of troops because you need to clear last few prizes in one go, and if no payout than continue your successful streak on the prizes you have yellowed already.


& hope for best.



Th' rougher th' seven seas, th' smoother we sail. Ahoy! ahead ye coward
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coenraad_abma
12 July, 2016, 6:01 PM UTC

FaZi said:


@Coe,


With what i have experienced, you need to stop small payouts in order to get bigger payouts and also you will need a successful streak of killing prizes.


So what you need to do is to get them to yellow bar (Do not kill it) this will increase your bank value, i really can't comment on how much bank you would need but on a rough calculation it would need around let say 70M+.

and once you have gathered a handsome bank value, you need lot of troops because you need to clear last few prizes in one go, and if no payout than continue your successful streak on the prizes you have yellowed already.


& hope for best.

 @ FAZI


the way you descripe handeling prices is the way i normaly play the game.( i also like to group defense and offense and attack them as a seperate group). butt 70M+ ...., i can do 0,5 M  defense a week, this means 8 months of putting defense prices in the yellow.. Not participating in personal prise events, BH events ect... blimey  youre taking part of the fun. .

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FaZi
12 July, 2016, 6:06 PM UTC

maybe it will take lot less than that coe, as i told above i can't tell something for sure.


For me it works with 30 M (My Maximum Prize level is mid 70's), so once my bank is there i get the payout usually in couple of hits.

and yeah sometime i feel like i am stuck for this long etc but than the payout worth it all.

so what we can do?

This strategy is working best for me and i have to stick with it.



Th' rougher th' seven seas, th' smoother we sail. Ahoy! ahead ye coward
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SweetBicard
13 July, 2016, 5:56 PM UTC
I hate to say this but the new prize payout system does not work at all to be fair to all the higher level players who send anywhere from one to two hundred dollars worth of troops out to defeat a level 50+ prize and lose 40% of their fleet and return home with 30 dollars in reward is like going to a SlotMachine at the casino it is ridiculous and truly a money grab. When you took down a couple of prizes and were rewarded nothing yeah that sucked but two maybe three prizes latter you were given 1100 subs and 450 Juggs that did make up for your losses.What l would suggest is that you stop ripping the players off and return back to miss and hit on the payout and make the payout substantial when your talking hundreds of dollars worth of Troops/Fleet/Crewmen being sacrificed for the chance to at least a Fantastic Reward not a mere S H l T t Y payback.Figure yer stuff out return it back to the way it originally worked or I am leaving this sinking shi t. 
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SweetBicard
13 July, 2016, 6:01 PM UTC
NIKITA METEOR said:

Captains, the reward system on Prizes has been updated. Let us take a closer look at the essentials to crack that nut once and for all.


IMPORTANT: The following applies only to new Prizes, i.e. the ones you have not engaged yet.


1. Why did we decide to update the system?

We have always received a lot of complains that Prizes “don’t work” or “work badly” or that “the rewards have changed”. Some players feel that the way rewards are issued is unfair when they see other players’ screenshots of big rewards. One of the major problems is that some sailors can lose their entire armies before they get a decent reward. This is especially true for new players that do not have enough expertise with Prizes or more experienced players that engage higher level Prizes where the intervals between good rewards are significantly longer compared to that on lower level ones. We have made a decision to adjust the reward algorithm so nobody finds themselves in such stressful situations.


2. What will happen to my current progress?

Nothing. Again, your current progress will not be affected in any way. None of your efforts were futile.


3. Why do I get smaller rewards when suffering big losses?

From now on, you will be receiving a reward each and every time you win. It is time to say “Goodbye” to Prizes not yielding any rewards! Brethren Court Engineers are convinced that every victory must be rewarded! Smaller rewards do NOT mean that your Units were lost for nothing: any victory may reveal that there was a huge army held captive at the Prize you have just conquered!

While under the old system you would be left empty-handed, now you will receive a guaranteed smaller reward (we mean Units!). Additionally, if you win on 10 Prizes, the cumulative reward will be slightly bigger than before.


4. How will smaller, more frequent rewards affect the regular reward algorithm?

You will need to win at slightly more Prizes, Captains!


5. Will there still be big rewards? Really big rewards?

Absolutely! Every victory at a Prize is a chance to win a huge reward! The chance of getting it is now slightly lower, but the overall number of rewards remained the same. In other words, you will be receiving the same reward, but it will be split into more parts than before.


We would like to assure our players that we are being very cautious with this update. Our main goal is to not tamper with the existing balance in any way but to make the reward system even more convenient for our players.


It is important to bear in mind that every player is at their own individual stage on the way to getting the reward, and the benefits of the new system may not be apparent right away. It might take you some time to evaluate the new system and to figure out how it works. The algorithm is new, and adjusting your strategy to it will require certain effort. One thing we know for sure: it will be worth your while!



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SweetBicard
13 July, 2016, 6:08 PM UTC

........ your ripping everyone off> Don't you dare justify what you have done.If I send 100 dollars worth of guys and come back with 75 dollars worth for a level 50+ prize well that .....If I send out those same guys to get a similar prize Level 50+ and come back with 500 subs and 350 frig's it will be a better result than what is going on now.You are .... your players and it will only leave you with less players who will pay so get over yourselves go back to win some lose some but when you won you got a decent return for your effort> Thank's very little for the new prize payout and reverse your decision. Sincerely Concerned about Corruption.


MOD Edit : Be careful with your selection of words, Using abusive words can lead you to some consequences. 
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Blasphemy
Moderator
13 July, 2016, 7:37 PM UTC

SweetBicard said:


........ your ripping everyone off> Don't you dare justify what you have done.If I send 100 dollars worth of guys and come back with 75 dollars worth for a level 50+ prize well that .....If I send out those same guys to get a similar prize Level 50+ and come back with 500 subs and 350 frig's it will be a better result than what is going on now.You are .... your players and it will only leave you with less players who will pay so get over yourselves go back to win some lose some but when you won you got a decent return for your effort> Thank's very little for the new prize payout and reverse your decision. Sincerely Concerned about Corruption.

technically they aren't ripping anyone off, and wid do all respect, as im a player just like you, 

plarium doesn't tell you to buy troops to bank more up, they don't tell you how to play...

We the players had came up with a solution to how to get more troops off from the prizes 

yet many players of plarium complained about the pay out of the prizes, so they thought of a new way so everyone now gets a small reward..

I know this set off, many old school pirates, now we all have to figure out what the banking is now, 

that a reduction was taken, many have said it now takes more troops to kill the prizes...


it'snt better to have some of it to keep advancing so the game doesn't get boring?

how does one go along doing just that??



I am a daughter of a High King who is not moved by this world for my God is with me and goes before me, I do not fear because im his
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Mule
14 July, 2016, 7:44 AM UTC

Today I stopped to play the Prizes. They were the part that I most enjoyed of the game. And played everyday. I have read pages ago that I was helped? No I wasn't. And also I have read justifications about the way Plarium "update" the Prizes: There is no justification. And let me explain again because it seems that I didn't explain my self enough clearly before.

THE WAY PRIZES HAVE BEEN CHANGED:

1) Without previous notice or warn: It has no justification.

My case: I bought a BIG money "special offer" . The day after Plarium changed the Prizes. I bought it to play Prizes and the Experience tournament. Remaining rubies had other targets. Plarium ruined my plans.

This is like you test a car. You like it. So you buy it. After you have paid it you are informed that the engine has been changed because somewho or somewhat didn't like it. You complaint and see how the car's manufacturer hides behind some forum's moderator.

2) During a tournament: It has no justification.

This is like, after you pay for, in the middle of a chess tournament, the judges decide to change the rules. No more words are needed.



These 2 points have no possible justification. It is not the way to do the things. The players wouldn't have this reaction if this "update" was done taking them in consideration.

I'M SURPRISED that I have not read any single APOLOGY for the trouble Plarium has caused to their customers!!!! This is awesome!!!

Also I have explained my case several times. I have not received any message from Plarium's client care interested in my case, asking me details of the transaction, and looking for a solution.





ABOUT THE NEW PRIZES:

After playing everyday since the prizes were "updated" I have a more clear opinion about them.

The only positive thing I found is the big payouts including marines and luggers. This makes more balanced armies.

I have not seen any other advantage for the player.

Yesterday I had rows of 12 to take the big payout.

The way how I played, and how I was having fun is ruined. And I was playing them for fun and points.

Have no idea how to have back all what I have inside the prizes without risk and in the more fast way. (Please only official response here).


Plarium has demonstrated that have no in consideration their customers. My opinion about plarium was very positive. Not anymore. Thumbs down for Plarium.


(It is frustrating to know that this post is just a post)

I really feel bad.

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coenraad_abma
15 July, 2016, 9:39 AM UTC

Dear Mods,


Tried the new update today and it doesn't preform ike you promise.. it would do..


got my resourses at 90%+ and still got some gold and timber.


i deleted the prises report from the old systhem (didn''t needed it then) butt they were between lvl 60 and 100+, and started attacking my prices i already made yellow... i attacked a lvl 90, 99,73.67..still nothing.. only got troops left to attack a lvl 59 and yes bingo..... 1000 jugs.... WOW  a 1000 jugs.....Lost more then 2000 jugs....getting the prices down..so i attacked another 59 (becouse again the only prise i could attack  (other is all above 100 or lower then 59) and 32 mow and 162  Brigs .. so the 1000 jugs were the big payout?


In the old systhem you got 2 or 3 times a big payout after attacking a low lvl..  butt now i have 2 wait for another 9 lvl to be downgraded?


its good you at plarium want to make changes  to  the game, to make i more atractive for new players, butt why are you pissings off youre loyal players who are spending more money on the game then the grafics and deph of the game deserve ( i play world of warcraft).



so please try the finetune the new prising systhem , so old and new players are happy again.




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